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February 9, 2015 at 9:21 pm Quote #42492

VOODOO
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Just a question…
Van Halen [HDCD Remaster / Eco-Friendly Packaging] CD, Original recording remastered, HiFi Sound

The Studio Albums 1978-1984″ NOT to be released in the U.S. Read more: http://www.vhnd.com/2013/02/06/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984/#ixzz3RIuzAtwf

Van Halen Studio Albums 1978-1984 High Resolution 24 Bit / 192 kHz Download

Van Halen, Van Halen II, Women and Children First and 1984 Vinyl
These are claimed to also be “Remastered from the Original Analog Master Tapes! ”

I’m curious as to how the latest version of the “Remasters” are going to be an improvement over all of these? A lot of criticism of the various remasters on this blog from back when the boxed set was coming out.
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/van-halen-the-studio-albums-1978-1984-box-set.311545/

I just don’t understand how they can keep issuing remaster after remaster and claim the they’re better and better than the last. Not trying to be a dick or start a battle. I’m asking honestly, are there really any dramatic, audible differences in the remasters that are already available and does anyone think the upcoming remasters are going to be such a dramatic improvement that you’re going to pay $12 per disc ($20 on vinyl) to purchase them all over again? I’m skeptical since the last “Remasters” were pulled from the US market a couple months before the Japanese tour and now we’re getting the live show from Japan plus a new set of remasters.


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February 10, 2015 at 1:22 am Quote #42500

Halenberg
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I suspect the reason they pulled last years 6Pack box in the US was specifically because they planned to do these new ones now.

Initially I thought these new remasters might be the same as the recent vinyl remasters released a few years back. ( They never did get around to Fair Warning and Diver Down. ) But I see now it appears they have done it again.

From product description at VH Store….

” Mastering engineer Chris Bellman, who remastered the original albums at Bernie Grundman Mastering Studios, was enlisted for the new 2015 versions. In order to produce the original sound the band intended, Bellman cut straight from the quarter-inch tapes for CD ”

So I’m guessing the previous remasters were sourced from the original analog tapes.( which are 1 half inch???? )….and these new ones sourced from the quarter inch tapes.


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February 10, 2015 at 9:09 am Quote #42503

JasonA
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Previous remasters may not have been done from original stereo mixdown master tapes. Probably a higher generation tape was used, which may have been an old digital transfer done in the 80s with inferior A/D converters. Advances in digital sampling equipment in the past 20-30 years have yielded some great improvements in sound quality, at least that’s what the marketing hype for the latest Led Zeppelin remasters have boasted about. The rest of the quality in remastering comes down to the mastering engineer’s choices in levels, EQ, compression/limiting, etc.


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February 10, 2015 at 9:26 am Quote #42504

ron
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The 2004 BOBW release had this to say about the audio of the tracks (this press release was issued before the album was renamed)

THE VERY BEST OF VAN HALEN spans digitally re-mastered cuts from the group’s 11 classic rock albums. The CD showcases the band’s newly recorded single “Up For Breakfast,” and debuts just-completed tracks-”It’s About Time” and “Learning To See,” all featuring vocals by Sammy Hagar.


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February 10, 2015 at 9:31 am Quote #42505

ron
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[from July 2000]

Warner Bros. To Bow Extensive Remasters Series

Warner Bros. will launch a new reissue series that will ultimately see hundreds of its catalog titles reissued with remastered music and the original liner notes and artwork as it appeared upon the original vinyl releases.

Dubbed Warner Remasters, the series will debut Sept. 19 with 20 combined titles from Eric Clapton, Dire Straits, Rod Stewart, and Van Halen. The newly issued titles will carry a suggested list price of $11.98.

The selections in the series were all issued on CD during the early years of the format’s era, but as Warner Bros. Records Inc. VP of A&R Gregg Geller, who is overseeing the series, says, “I think it’s fair to say a lot of this was done in haste way back when. Certain elements of original artwork were omitted. Also, the CDs that were released in the mid- to late ’80s, which sounded wonderful at that time, no longer sounded as wonderful as they might be. The advances in mastering technology have advanced to such a degree that we can simply do a far better job today than we could then.”

No bonus tracks will be included on the initial batch, according to Geller. He says the decision was made to release the initial batch of albums as the artists originally made them, without the addition of bonus tracks, a practice that has become somewhat common with regard to reissues.

“I’m pretty strongly of the belief that these records were conscientiously and consciously made how they were for a reason, and you tamper with that at some risk,” Geller says. “There may be some [future releases in which] the addition of certain bonus tracks will be in keeping with the spirit of the work, but in the case of the 20 albums we’re releasing first, it was everybody’s feeling that they should be allowed to stand as is.”

It’s a decision Van Halen drummer Alex Van Halen applauds. “I agree with Gregg that the albums should come out as they did originally,” he says. “If you start tinkering with it and start to repackage it, then the next thing you know, you’re re-recording stuff. Where do you stop? I like that there’s nothing extra on our records. They become different animals if there’s more stuff on it.”

Van Halen also commends the label on involving the artists in the process, even though he admits that, like that of many retailers, his first reaction was, “Why did it take so long to do this? When they started, we weren’t told exactly what the project would be. What we got was, ‘Would you please look at some artwork?’ ” But ultimately, Van Halen and all the acts were offered the opportunity to have Warner Bros. do the remastering or choose their own engineer. “We had our own guy do the remastering,” Van Halen says. “This isn’t just about the liner notes. The picture you paint sonically is a record of your life. I can really tell a difference.” New batches will likely come out quarterly, although Geller says the label has not committed to a precise timetable, and he is mum on what acts that will be included in upcoming releases.


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February 10, 2015 at 10:03 am Quote #42507

JasonA
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See, very vague language in that press release. No mention of which tapes were used, etc. It’s possible this new batch of 2015 remasters could be an improvement if they’re using better sources this time.


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February 10, 2015 at 10:06 am Quote #42508

VOODOO
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OK, so the Best of tracks were digitally remastered, which makes sense. The “Remasters” series doesn’t specify how the CDs were remastered or what the source was for the remastering. I would think they did it the most economical way possible, which would most likely have been digitally. The 2013 remasters were supposedly pulled from analog tape, so I’m curious what the difference was in the process that produced that boxed set that was pulled from release in the US vs. what we’re about to be sold.


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February 10, 2015 at 10:25 am Quote #42510

ron
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voodoo: The 2013 remasters were supposedly pulled from analog tape, so I’m curious what the difference was in the process that produced that boxed set that was pulled from release in the US vs. what we’re about to be sold.

The 2013 box of CDs are just the 2000 discs repackaged – I thought.

The Studio Albums 1978-1984 is a no-frills package of VH’s first great era, all the albums released with original vocalist David Lee Roth at the helm. Featuring the now-immortal six-string styles of Eddie Van Halen, the devastating rhythm section of bassist Michael Anthony and drummer Alex Van Halen and the clean production of Ted Templeman, this box is a crash course in killer pop-rock, from the strains of “Eruption” to MTV-ready hits “Jump,” “Panama” and “Hot for Teacher,” plus classic covers of The Kinks (“You Really Got Me”), Roy Orbison (“Pretty Woman”) and Martha Reeves and The Vandellas (“Dancing in the Street”).

Roth, of course, famously went solo shortly after 1984; Sammy Hagar famously took the vocal reins until 1996, when Roth returned for a greatest-hits package. Gary Cherone of Extreme sang on one album, Van Halen III (1998), and Hagar took them through another round of touring (and another hits set) from 2003 to 2005, after which he and Anthony both left the band. In 2006, Roth returned with new bassist Wolfgang Van Halen (Eddie’s son) to tour the world; in 2012, this lineup released a new album, A Different Kind of Truth. (WHEW!)

All discs in the package are presumably sourced from Chris Bellman’s digital remasters from 2000, so if you’ve got those, you’ve probably no reason to upgrade. But if somehow you’ve gone this long without owning these? Then a) What the heck, I thought we were pals, and b) get them now! The box is available March 26 in the U.S. and February 25 in the U.K.

The Studio Albums 1978-1984 (Warner Bros./Rhino, 2013)

Disc 1: Van Halen (originally released as Warner Bros. LP BSK 3075, 1978)
Disc 2: Van Halen II (originally released as Warner Bros. LP HS 3312, 1979)
Disc 3: Women and Children First (originally released as Warner Bros. LP HS 3415, 1980)
Disc 4: Fair Warning (originally released as Warner Bros. LP HS 3540, 1981)
Disc 5: Diver Down (originally released as Warner Bros. LP BSK 3677, 1982)
Disc 6: 1984 (originally released as Warner Bros. LP 23985, 1984)


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February 10, 2015 at 10:30 am Quote #42512

VOODOO
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ron: The 2013 box of CDs are just the 2000 discs repackaged – I thought.

I was mistaken. You are correct, sir. So, all of the current remasters that have been released have all been digitally remastered and then repackaged. I thought the 2013 boxed set was an analog remaster.


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February 10, 2015 at 10:37 am Quote #42513

ron
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February 10, 2015 at 12:03 pm Quote #42516

VOODOO
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ron: Info on the VH1 vinyl remaster (released in Jan. 2009):

https://www.facebook.com/notes/jon-schell/interview-with-audio-mastering-engineer-kevin-grey/92749494325

That was an amazing read! Very informative. Thanks for hunting that down, Mr. Higgins!


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February 10, 2015 at 1:40 pm Quote #42520

Dave
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The bigger crime is that the Hagar era hasn’t had remasters in the U.S. since they first came out. They did come out in Japan, but even those weren’t marketed as remasters, if memory serves me correctly.

To me, I don’t think it’s that big a deal about the remasters or best-of’s. This is only the 2nd round of complete album remasterings, and the last one was 15 years ago. There’s only been 2 best-of compilations, both with new tracks. That’s a lot better than some other bands.


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February 10, 2015 at 2:24 pm Quote #42523

VOODOO
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I guess it’s the fact that they have been rereleasing the back catalog ever since ’96 (other than III) as either a compilation or a remaster in one form or another up until 2012. It seemed like 15 years of rereleases to finally get a new album and now we’re back to rereleasing the old catalog again. Now that I have a clearer understanding of what was released before, I am a little more intrigued as to how these will be redone.

The two remasters of 5150 and OU812 weren’t all that impressive. I never cared for the overall sound of either of those albums. I thought FUCK was produced much better, but I only really liked a few songs on that album. Balance was the most sonically impressive album I think they ever did, especially on vinyl. Unless Dave dies first or quits Van Halen again, I highly doubt we’ll ever see the Hagar era albums being promoted or rereleased by the band.


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February 11, 2015 at 8:23 am Quote #42552

ron
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I think the biggest question will be the difference between the VH1 vinyl from 2009 that was remastered from the 1/4″ master tapes, and the same thing from 2015. Since both are from the same master source, the only difference sound be whatever the engineer dialed in.


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February 11, 2015 at 8:44 am Quote #42556

VOODOO
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ron: I think the biggest question will be the difference between the VH1 vinyl from 2009 that was remastered from the 1/4″ master tapes, and the same thing from 2015.Since both are from the same master source, the only difference sound be whatever the engineer dialed in.

Van Halen, Van Halen II, WACF and 1984 were just put out a couple years ago on vinyl remastered from the original tapes according to VHStore. If you go to the VHStore link in the first post in this thread you can still order the original vinyl remasters of VHII and WACF, but now you can only preorder the upcoming VH1 and 1984 remasters. I have that original four pack of remastered vinyl, but I never opened them.


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