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September 26, 2012 at 8:09 am Quote #19405 | |
Mark (175) | I’m not 100% familiar with what is going on, knowing it is a revenue issue and other things I’m sure. At the same time, these players make a good salary, as does the owners. To put the season on hold and possibly lose the entire season is pathetic. The collateral damage is even worse…non-hockey player employees…and that is really what bothers me. With the economy the way it is, and not getting any better, you’re selfishness or stupidity is causing the loss of many jobs and needed income for employees and their families. Why couldn’t they just play and keep working on an option that both sides can agree on? Am I being too naive? Mark MarkQuote |
September 26, 2012 at 9:06 am Quote #19410 | |
thereadog (1013) | The players offered to play under the old CBA but Bettman and the owners said no. They feel the players share of 57% of the hockey related revenue is too high. Same group that cancelled a season for that 57% in 2005. Now its too much? Same ownership group that got their salary cap but figured out how to circumvent the cap and give out 15 year contracts for huge $. Now they are upset. It basically boils down to the league was making more revenue now than it was in 04-05 as the game has taken off since the last lockout. Now the owners want a bigger piece of the pie. They players have offered to roll back over time from the 57% where they are to the low 50% range, I believe 51%. The league is also saying that some of the jumps in revenue percentages in terms of growth are unsustainable and are supported by a stronger canadian dollar than it was in 05 and a franchise move to Winnipeg. Maybe its not sustainable because you have franchises in non-hockey markets that aren’t working that the league continues to support? If they moved another team or two to places like Quebec, Hamilton, or maybe another in Toronto revenue would skyrocket. That is their hoice though. Yes the players are no saints either. They are all making good money in this. It just drives me crazy that Betman and the owners sacrified a season to get a deal THEY wanted and now, 7 years later its not enough. They’re all making too much – they need to quit their crying and et back to work. thereadogQuote |
September 26, 2012 at 9:15 am Quote #19411 | |
Mark (175) | Thanks Mike…no matter what I’m a hockey fan, and I always will be. What bothers me, added on to what I mentioned above, is the “we don’t give a crap about our fan base” attitude. They say how much they love the fans, but they are taking away the game we love to watch. I understand it’s all business…but doing this disrspects the fans and let’s face it, we’re the ones putting money in their pockets. MarkQuote |
September 26, 2012 at 2:54 pm Quote #19426 | |
videoman320 (308) | I read an article with Ovetchkin and he said the owners also want the players to give back 20% of the existing contracts of the players. To me a contract is a contract. Also heard the players are willing to give up part of their 57% share if the owners will agree to revenue sharing amongst the owners. The bigger market teams don’t want to do it and I don’t blame them. There is no such thing as a small market in sports. Put a good product on the ice and you will draw. There are teams way under the salary cap so they have no one to blame but themselves. Also giving 5 and 6 million dollars a year to guys that can’t score 30 goals is their fault not the players. videoman320Quote |
September 26, 2012 at 5:21 pm Quote #19427 | |
thereadog (1013) |
I couldn’t agree with this more. Great point on Hamilton. Any why not a 2nd team in Toronto? The Leafs are getting the highest ticket prices in the league in one of the biggest markets. NY has 3 teams – you mean to tell me that if you put the Coyotes in Toonto, it wouldn’t work? They would go from the bottom few in revenue to the top. I read the thing on Ovechkin as well and the salary roll back. I know its out there but I can’t see it. If that happens, we ae in for another long lockout. I think this will probably go to early December but what do I know. Hopefull its over soon though. thereadogQuote |
September 30, 2012 at 12:16 pm Quote #19483 | |
VAiN (2777) | |
October 1, 2012 at 11:58 am Quote #19517 | |
thereadog (1013) |
Seattle sounds like a big frontrunner for a team so that is certainly possible. I like that idea, plus Quebec, Hamilton or even Hartford again. Doubt they’d ever go back to Hartford because its not a major market and they are smack between Boston & NY but who knows. thereadogQuote |
October 1, 2012 at 12:00 pm Quote #19518 | |
Mark (175) | |
October 1, 2012 at 2:53 pm Quote #19520 | |
videoman320 (308) | Portland would be my first pick for a U.S franchise. They have supported the Winterhawks junior team for decades. I would never go back to Hartford or any other U.S city that has failed in the past. NEVER should have given Atlanta a second chance. videoman320Quote |
October 1, 2012 at 8:01 pm Quote #19524 | |
VAiN (2777) |
I agree with that… and Atlanta was a horrible idea. The population there isn’t what you’d call a Hockey crowd… Resident dickhead. I will hurt your delicate feelings. VAiNQuote |
October 1, 2012 at 8:20 pm Quote #19526 | |
guitard (7354) |
I hear what you’re saying about Atalanta…. Reminds of something I heard a police detective say on one of those cop shows: “The problem with trying to solve a murder in Atlanta is that everyone’s DNA matches and the dental records never show anything.” guitardQuote |
October 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm Quote #19533 | |
Dave (2308) | They – and when I say “they” I mean the AHL’s CT Whale franchise owners – are trying like crazy to bring back an NHL team to Hartford. I’d love it but thereadog is right. Hartford’s biggest challenge is that all its hockey fans like either NY or Boston already. And that’s CT’s problem with any sport. Stay Frosty DaveQuote |
October 2, 2012 at 8:16 am Quote #19536 | |
thereadog (1013) | Hartford is different from Atlanta in that it wasa hockey market and drew big crowds prior to their departure in 97. Atlanta never was a hockey market. Hartford lost their team because you had an owner who wanted a new building and the state wouldn’t pay for it. He got one in Raleigh and moved the team. Suebndave is right about the former owners in Hartford, Howard Baldwin & Co., trying like hell but they had found it very difficult because the move killed the CT market. Last I heard the Baldwins were pushed out because they owed everyone under the sun money from rebranding the team the Whale. Its a shame it will never work there. Still a fun place to go and watch a game…and I will probably make the drive up for an AHL game as this lockout starts cancelling games. thereadogQuote |
October 3, 2012 at 9:38 am Quote #19560 | |
Mark (175) | What bothers me is that they are not talking every day to settle this. Talks broke down yesterday…don’t let them break down you morons. One of them made a comment to the affect “what is fair to the owners, players, and the fans.” Bullshit already…you’re screwing your fans over right now, and people are losing their jobs as well. This is pathetic already. Also, you now have players going elsewhere to play, and if a big name player gets hurt, that won’t be good either. MarkQuote |
October 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm Quote #20015 | |
Mark (175) |
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